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Cathryn (formerly catslash) ([personal profile] remindmeofthe) wrote2008-01-17 06:20 pm

"Three Things John Winchester Never Did With His Sons," PG, John, Dean, Sam

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Title: "Three Things John Winchester Never Did With His Sons"
Author: Cathryn
Rating: PG
Characters: John, Dean, Sam - gen fic
Words: 3686
Warnings: AU, character death.
Note: This is my first Supernatural fic. I mention this not because I think it sucks (because if I thought that, I wouldn't be inflicting it upon the internet), but because I'm still getting a handle on things, so constructive criticism is extra special welcome.
Disclaimer: Kripke created Supernatural. I'm just having some non-profit fun.
Spoilers: "Dead Man's Blood," "In My Time of Dying."
Summary: Three things that never happened to the Winchesters.




1.

"Hey. Dad."

John glances up at Dean's tone, the careful, tentative one he uses when he's not sure his father wants to hear what he has to say. "Yes?" He matches the tone with his own look, the then-think-hard-before-you-answer look.

Dean plows ahead. "Sam's graduating this month. This weekend. Saturday."

John knows that. He's kept close track of Sam these last four years. He knows every class, every grade, every party, and he certainly knows when his son is graduating. Dean doesn't have to tell him that. "Yes," he says again, telling Dean with his brevity to explain why he's bringing up the obvious.

"We should go."

This look is cool. "I doubt we'd be welcome." He hasn't spoken to Sam once in those four years. Sam is probably aware that he's been around Stanford more times than he can count, because John Winchester didn't raise stupid children, but he's never so much as called to ask about it. Dean has been in touch with Sam a few times; John's never asked and Dean's never said, but judging from the extra violence that showed up in the hunts following those occasions, they didn't go well.

"Dad, come on. He's valedictorian. Don't you wanna see that? Aren't you sick of skulking around under his window like you've got no right to care what he does?"

"Of course I want to see that!" John's voice is sharp with anger, but Dean doesn't flinch. "But if Sammy wanted us there, he would have invited us."

"Not if he didn't think we'd show. And why should he? You've never even tried to talk to him -"

"It goes both ways, Dean. It wouldn't kill him to pick up the phone."

"He probably thinks you'd hang up on him!" The surprise of it, Dean glaring at him in a way he hasn't done in so long that John can't even recall the last time, keeps him silent as Dean continues. "That 'it goes both ways' thing, Dad, that's crap. You're the adult here. He's still a kid. He thinks you hate him. If you thought your father hated you, would you call?"

John finds his voice and barks, "That's enough, Dean!" The words sting, because he can't deny it stated so baldly. He's steadfastly ignored the truth all this time, but Dean's bluntness after years of skirting the subject shocks him into looking at it. His foolish ultimatum, delivered in last-ditch panic, a desperate attempt to shock Sam out of his rebellion, followed by four years of silence - what else could Sam think?

Something of that must show in his face, because Dean leans forward, presses his advantage. "Come on, Dad, this is perfect. It's like a freaking movie or something. All you have to do to prove you don't hate him is show up. How hard is that?"

"It's not that simple. It's been a long time, he'll still be angry -"

"Yeah, but it's a start."

*

The ceremony is invitation-only, but for the Winchesters, that's child's play. John isn't the first sheepishly forgetful parent to slink up to the door and beg leniency. In the end, all they have to do is show IDs - which, ironically, are forged, since neither of them has spent much time at the DMV lately - and they're ushered in with a smile to choice seats automatically reserved for the valedictorian's family.

John has long been the seat-in-the-back sort. He feels uncomfortably conspicuous and doesn't like having so much space at his back. He can't watch the room from the front row.

Dean, on the other hand, is thrilled. "He'll definitely see us from here. Which," he adds with a glance at John, forestalling his response, "is kinda the point."

John can only nod in acknowledgement.

The graduates file onstage, the boys in deep cardinal red gowns and the girls in white. John picks Sam out of the group immediately, and smiles a little to himself at the nervous look on his face. He hopes that his son won't be kept in suspense for too long.

Dean's a mile ahead of him, flipping through the program. "God, there are like a hundred speeches in here and Sam's last," he grumbles quietly. "Wake me up when it's his turn, okay?"

John swallows a laugh and tells Dean not to embarrass his brother. "'Course not," Dean mutters, sitting up straighter.

John isn't sure why Sam doesn't spot them sooner. Nerves, maybe, or the way the lighting on the stage is set up, or maybe he's learned not to see what he doesn't expect. Whatever it is, John watches Sam through all the speeches preceding his, but Sam's eyes don't light on him or Dean once.

Finally, Sam is introduced. Dean gives a faint sigh of relief next to John as Sam walks solemnly up to the podium, placing his hands on it just so. He looks around the room like a trained speaker, someone who's had it pounded into his head to make eye contact throughout the crowd when he speaks, and takes a breath to begin.

And then, finally, he sees them. His eyes widen and the words die in his throat. Dean gives him a cheeky little wave, but Sam's gaze is squarely on John. John nods to him once, greeting and encouragement; then, without realizing it was going to happen, he smiles, overwhelmed by the fact that he is looking into his youngest son's eyes for the first time in four years.

Sam relaxes visibly and smiles back. "Hi, Dad. Hi, Dean." The crowd laughs indulgently and Sam launches into his speech. His eyes stay on his family the whole time.

Dean was right. This is a start.

**********

2.

John keeps vigil in Dean's room for hours, brushing off half-hearted attempts by the staff to get him back to his own room. As long as his son lies comatose in that bed, John has very little interest in his own well-being. The fact that they don't try all that hard to shift him, just the occasional mention that getting some rest would do him good, speaks volumes. None of them wants to come between father and son in these few last precious hours.

Sam sits with him too. Mostly, anyway, his fear manifesting itself as restlessness as he gets up to pace or get a coffee or visit the vending machine two or three times an hour. John watches him get up and down over and over for the better part of three hours, then finally says wearily,

"You're making me dizzy, Sam. Can't you hold still for twenty minutes?"

Sam shoots him a startled look; there's an edge of anger in it as there is so often when Sam looks at him, but he reins it back. Not in here. "Sorry. I didn't notice."

John nods and looks back at Dean.

Sam stays where he is for nearly forty minutes. He fidgets, which is worse and crawls under John's skin like an itch, but John doesn't say anything this time. He won't start an argument with Sam, not now and not over something so petty.

"Dad," Sam says finally. "I have an idea. I," He pauses. "It's probably stupid, but, it might work." He starts to stand.

"Sam -" John begins, but Sam cuts him off.

"I'm not gonna do anything dumb, Dad, except probably waste twenty bucks. I'll be back in a little while." He gives John a thin, pinched smile. "Don't let Dean go anywhere."

*

Sam's errand takes him about half an hour. Dean doesn't go anywhere. While he sits alone with his son, words bubble up in John's mind, words of love and pride and all the things he's so much more at home expressing with actions rather than speeches. If ever there was a time for speeches, it's now, the last time he'll ever be alone with Dean, and he knows he can find the words once he gets started, can tell Dean how indescribably proud he is, how he knows he could and should have showed it more often, how he would have followed Mary into death years ago without Dean and Sam to keep him tethered to reality.

But what's the point? Dean can't hear him. Saying those things now would be nothing but a feeble attempt to salve his own conscience. So John holds his tongue until Sam gets back.

Then he has to break his silence. "Sam. A Ouija board?"

Sam doesn't look up from tearing the shrinkwrap off the box and setting up the board and planchette. "Come on, Dad, you're not seriously gonna give me the skeptic's routine, are you?"

"He's not dead yet, Sam." He spits the words out, voice rising louder than he'd intended. Sam looks up, stricken. It's the first time either of them has said it aloud. John glances away. "Sorry, Sammy," he says quietly.

"I know, but. There's - something in here, Dad. I keep . . . feeling it, on and off. I think it's Dean."

That is possible, John thinks. It wouldn't be the first time a traumatized coma patient was flung out of his body. And Dean would have a better handle on the situation than most people. Would be trying to get their attention. "Could be," he allows. "Plenty of people have died in here, though."

Sam nods at the unspoken warning. "I'll be careful," he says, and settles in on the floor, resting his fingertips on the planchette. He takes a deep breath, then asks softly, "Dean, are you there?"

Nothing happens for a moment. Then, just as Sam's shoulders are beginning to droop, the planchette starts to move. He sits up straight, and John leans forward. Both of them watch the little piece of plastic intently as it slides up toward the top of the board.

YES

It pauses, then begins to spell something out.

F-R-E-A-K.

Sam laughs, a great explosion of relief that covers John's own startled chuckle. "What? Why am I a freak?"

Ouija? it spells. Seriously? John keeps smiling, widely. It's definitely Dean.

"Hey, I had to improvise, you know," Sam says with false indignation, still smiling himself.

The planchette remains still. Sam glances up at his father in confusion. John is stumped too for a moment, then realizes. "Questions. He can only answer if you ask him questions. That's how these things work."

"Oh. Right." Sam looks back at the board and his expression sobers. "Dean? Are . . . are you okay?"

Yes.

John's not the psychic one, but he can feel the hesitation in the air. He knows what Dean isn't saying, but he speaks to Sam anyway, gruffly. "Ask him."

Sam looks up at him for a long moment, pain writ large on his expressive face, before he turns to the board. "Are you." He swallows hard. "Are you coming back?"

Long pause, then the planchette begins to move slowly. John can see the look on Dean's face, closed-off agony, as clearly as if his son really were sitting in front of them instead of lying on that bed.

No. Reaper waiting. It's ok. I'm ready. Just saying goodbye.

Sam's voice is choked. "Dean, no. No."

John moves then, stiffly levering himself to the floor next to Sam. He puts a hand on Sam's shoulder, then looks at the board. He can't quite bring himself to look at the empty space across from them where Dean's near-spirit must be sitting.

"It's all right, Dean," he says roughly. "If you're ready, then you go. You've more than earned a peaceful passing." He squeezes Sam's shoulder in warning, don't make this any harder on Dean than it already has to be, but Sam is nodding in the corner of his vision.

"Dad's right. I'm sorry. We lo - you know we love you, right?"

Yes. Pause. Bitch.

Sam sniffles and laughs, choked with tears. "Jerk."

"Boys," John murmurs automatically, then stiffens, the familiarity of the reproval hurting far more than anything the board could possibly pass on to them. He does look up then, into space at about where Dean's eyes should be. "I'm proud of you, Dean," he says simply.

"Got that?" Sam asks softly, to let Dean answer.

There is a long pause, then - Yes. Thank you. Goodbye.

Sam takes his hands from the planchette and presses them over his face as he begins to sob. John pushes the board out of sight under the bed and wraps his boy up tight against him as the heart monitor stops beeping and the flatline alarm sounds.

**********

3.

It takes three days too long to get to Elkins's cabin, because all the knowhow in the world doesn't mean a damn thing when John's truck breaks down fifty miles from the nearest replacement part. When he does get there and the Colt is gone, he swears a blue streak because he's not the only hunter who would have been here by now, to go through Elkins's place for clues or confirmation, and can't be the only one who knows what that gun was.

He's not too preoccupied to hear footsteps in the woods outside the cabin, though. He gets his machete and searches for two hours, but finds nothing. He's thinking that whatever hunters have been through Manning weren't as thorough as they might have thought they were. He needs to look for the Colt. He needs to clean this town out. Vampires. Not as extinct as they were supposed to be. If he's lucky, maybe they knew what the Colt was, too.

When he gets back to his truck, there's a new message on his phone. Sam. He hesitates. He usually saves the messages from his sons for when it's quiet, between jobs or during downtime, when he's hit a dead end looking for the demon or just needs to wait, and this is anything but. He can't be distracted right now. They've proven time and again over these last few months that he raised them right, raised them strong, raised them to take care of each other no matter what and to find a way to see it through. They think they need him but they don't. They only need each other. And John needs to focus, on taking down vampires and finding the Colt. Whatever this is, no matter how dire it must seem for Sam to call him, it can wait. They can handle it.

But something tells him to listen to Sam's message now, so he does, and his heart almost stops beating.

"Dad. We're in Manning, Colorado, and, and something's wrong with Dean. I . . . the vampires aren't extinct. I don't know what to do, Dad. Please come. This one time, please. Please."

John is down the driveway and on the road before he even realizes he started the truck.

He finds their motel quickly, thanks to the Impala, which has grown more and more distinctive with every passing year. A good old-fashioned bribe gets the room number, and the lock is easy to pick. He pushes the door open slowly, gun drawn, praying that he'll find them asleep in their beds, or staring at him with confused surprise before Sam apologizes for worrying him and says that he panicked.

The message is almost two hours old now, though, and John knows he won't find any such thing.

"Dad." Sam is on the floor, pale, throat bloody, voice weak and rasping. John scarcely feels it as the color leaves his own face, lowering the gun - which is useless, anyway, if it's vampires, but he needed something and he can't hide the machete in his coat while he picks locks - and hurrying to his son's side.

He drops to his knees. "Sam, what happened?"

"Dean - Dad, they didn't kill him -" Sam's eyes suddenly flick past him and go wide. "Dad!"

John is already standing and spinning around the second Sam looks past him, and it's only reflex that keeps his fist moving through the air, because it's Dean leaping at him, snarling.

The punch misses as John stares at Dean. Then he's grabbed from behind in arms that feel like solid steel, and the pallor of Sam's face takes on new significance through the shock a split second before Dean knocks him out with one well-placed blow.

*

He doesn't open his eyes when he wakes, taking stock through his other senses. He's on a bed, wrists circled with metal and arms pulled back above his head. Shackles. There are two bodies lying next to him, one on either side. Complete memory comes back then, snapping him to full consciousness and making his stomach heave.

"Sammy." Dean, on his right. The nausea gets worse, because Dean should sound different, should sound altered somehow, but his voice is the same as it's always been. "I think he's awake."

"Are you gonna call me Sammy for the rest of eternity now?"

"Yup. Come on, Dad. Give it up."

John wants nothing more in that moment than to keep his eyes closed for the rest of his life. And considering the trap he walked into, one that only his sons could successfully ensnare him with, that's probably not such a tall order. But he steels himself and forces them open, staring at the ceiling.

"The fake unconsciousness thing doesn't really work with us," Sam explains. "We could hear your heartbeat picking back up." His voice is the same, too. Just like it was in that message, minus the terror and pleading that goes right to a parent's nervous system and knocks out the part of the brain that sees a fishy situation from a mile off.

"Sorry about the ambush," Dean says. "We wanted you to stick around long enough to hear us out, and we didn't really think you'd do that on your own."

In the back of John's mind, the hunter's instinct kicks into gear. Sort through information. Gather more. Respond accordingly. Push the emotions aside. They only get in the way. Do the job. He welcomes it and lets it take over, grateful, knowing it won't last for long, that it will disappear the moment he has to look either of them in the eye.

"What do you mean, hear you out? What's there to hear?"

Dean sits up, shifts into John's line of sight, forces John to see him. He looks almost the same, pale, but still Dean, no subtle monstrous twist to his features or supercilious smirk sparking in his green eyes. John feels the bottom drop out, and he knows then that even if he somehow gets the chance, which he won't, his boys know him too well, but if he does, he still won't be walking out of this room alive. None of the reading mentioned this, that the worst thing about vampires isn't the instinctive thirst for blood, it's that they are still who they were before the change. This isn't a monster wearing his son's body. It is his son, only now his son will be hunting people.

"When I woke up," Dean is saying, "practically the second I woke up, they were in my face about family and how I'd have one forever now if I'd just do 'em a favor. Sam got away, and they knew he'd be on guard, but they couldn't afford to blow town with a hunter knowing about 'em. So I said I'd see what I could do." He looks across John at Sam, and John follows his gaze automatically. Sam is listening to his brother with a faint smile, propped up on his elbow. He looks at John with normal hazel eyes. John flinches and Sam's smile disappears.

"They wanted him to kill me," he explains quietly. He looks back up at Dean and John can breathe again. "And I did not fall for the 'oh god help me' routine, man, I knew you were a vampire."

"Yeah, you keep tellin' yourself that," Dean says dismissively, like any one of a thousand arguments they've had a thousand times already. John's throat tightens and he forces himself to look back at Dean. To engage in the conversation before he falls apart. "But you didn't kill him."

"Of course I didn't!" Dean says, stiffening indignantly. "Dad, you know me better than that." He does smirk then, still pure Dean. "But those vampires didn't. They thought I wanted their crappy, creepy family. So I changed Sam, brought him dinner, took him back to the nest, and we wiped the bastards out. They never saw it coming."

"You - ?" That can't be right. They might still be Dean and Sam, but they're not human anymore, that part of them is gone.

"It was great," Sam enthuses. "Easiest fight ever. Dad, it was like twenty of them and two of us and it was still easier than any of the other hunts we've ever been on."

"Hunts - ?" John is floundering, too many shocks to the system at once. They're vampires, driven by bloodlust, have him chained up for the next meal (iftheywouldpleasegodjustgetitoverwith) - and they're talking about hunting?

"Yeah!" Dean is grinning, sharing in his brother's excitement. "Can you imagine how fast we could take down, like, a werewolf or a wendigo now? Man, they won't even see us coming!"

This time, John doesn't even try to speak. He just stares at Dean, waiting for the punchline. The bright expression flows off Dean's face, melts into confusion. No. Not confusion. It's an are-we-going-to-get-in-trouble-for-this look, like he's ten years old and suddenly wondering if his surprise might not just net him a spanking instead of a smile. His voice, when he speaks next, sounds young, too.

"Dad, don't you get it? We're better hunters now. And," he falters, "and we don't have to worry so much about - one of us getting killed."

Sam, in contrast, speaks with firm deliberation. "About any of us getting killed."

And John Winchester turns as pale as his sons are now as he finally understands.

[identity profile] xphoenixrising.livejournal.com 2008-01-17 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow! I love the twist in this story! Great job!

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-18 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it.

[identity profile] lilacsigil.livejournal.com 2008-01-18 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
*flails* The last story was extremely creepy, which was a great contrast to the first two - and yet the family atmosphere was dominant in all three! Excellent writing, excellent, wary John-voice, and three great premises.

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-18 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks! I had an especially hard time with John, so it's good to hear that my portrayal rang true. I'm pleased you enjoyed the story, and thank you for the comment!
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[personal profile] minim_calibre 2008-01-18 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, that last one is so nicely creepy! Well done!

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-18 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! It's funny, but I wasn't consciously going for "creepy" on that one - I was focused so hard on getting John's reactions across that I guess the creepiness built itself. *g* Thanks for commenting.

[identity profile] lissa-ann.livejournal.com 2008-01-18 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
Just a note: You used 1 and 2 to delineate the first stories, but used a row of asterisks before the third. If you don't watch closely, it's tough to tell where 2 ends and 3 begins.

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-18 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
Whoops! *fixes* Thanks for the catch.

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[identity profile] hi-falootin.livejournal.com 2008-01-18 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
wow, this is great! there are definite tone-shifts between the stories, but I think it really works. I like how creepy the last one is and how sweet the other two are :)

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-18 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks. :) I may not have been able to come up with five things as per the usual with this format, but I did try to make the ones I did think of as distinct from each other as possible. I'm glad it worked. Thanks for the comment!

[identity profile] alphabet26.livejournal.com 2008-01-18 03:17 am (UTC)(link)
So the first one just had me smiling. I loved how John knew Sam's schedule. Dean pushing the reunion was wonderful. John's nervousness and Sam's reaction and all of it was just sweet and lovely. Great job.

The second one kind of brought me down. Great use of the canon stuff from IMToD, like the Ouija board and the Reaper. Dean's voice was spot on. And just heartbreaking when Sam breaks down and John comforts him.

Wow, the third one? Didn't see that twist coming at all. There was so much to enjoy about the story. How they were still Dean and Sam, but not exactly. John's emotions and hunter instinct. And the thing I liked most was the tenseness of the piece.

Thanks for sharing these!

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-18 04:08 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for the detailed comment! It's been a while since I've written fic, and I'd forgotten how interesting it is to see what other people get out of my stories. Unfortunately, that means that now I'm going to ramble at you for a bit. ;)

I had a good time coming up with the various universes and trying to sketch them out as clearly as possible within a small fic. The first one is the most wistful one for me, the only one with a hopeful ending and a possible implication of a much happier version of events unfolding after. The second one is far and away my favorite, and thanks for taking note of my use of stuff from the episode canon - I loved the Reaper character, and I wanted to play with the idea of Dean being one of the snarkiest spirits to ever engage in a round of Ouija. *g* I keep coming back to that episode, and John's deal, as the moment when everything in the SPN 'verse was irreversibly damaged, and wondering if he would have been so quick to make that deal if he'd known that Dean was coming around to accepting his own death. The third one was the hardest to write because it's the most complex, plus I had it halfway done before I saw "Fresh Blood," and man did the addition to SPN vampire lore in that ep throw me for a loop. I wasn't sure that it worked at all, so I'm really pleased and relieved that people are responding so well to it.

Anyway. Thank you again, and I'm glad you enjoyed it!

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[identity profile] labseraph.livejournal.com 2008-01-18 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
Man, talk about a rollercoaster ride! The first story made me go "Awww ..." (for John and his boys), the second one had me choking on tears (it's just perfect) and the last one had me falling off my chair with laughter (ouch).

Great job, fantastic characterisation and complete love for this fic.

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-18 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
Heh, hope you didn't damage anything important toppling off your chair.

Thanks for the comment. I had a rough time getting the third one streamlined, but the easiest part was the Sam and Dean interaction and playing the humor off John's inner turmoil. I'm glad someone else liked it, too. *g*

[identity profile] vanillafluffy.livejournal.com 2008-01-18 05:07 am (UTC)(link)
1. Heart-warming.
2. Heart-breaking.
3. Heart stopping.

Wow.

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-18 05:30 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! :D I'm so happy you liked it.

[identity profile] iamstealthyone.livejournal.com 2008-01-18 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Nicely done. I especially like how you changed up what we saw on IMToD, and that last one, which had a good blend of creepiness and twisted family love.

Favorite lines:

John glances up at Dean's tone, the careful, tentative one he uses when he's not sure his father wants to hear what he has to say. "Yes?" He matches the tone with his own look, the then-think-hard-before-you-answer look.

*g* I can so see John doing this.

"It's not that simple. It's been a long time, he'll still be angry -"

"Yeah, but it's a start."


*pets Dean*

Sam relaxes visibly and smiles back. "Hi, Dad. Hi, Dean." The crowd laughs indulgently and Sam launches into his speech. His eyes stay on his family the whole time.

Aww. :)

YES

It pauses, then begins to spell something out.

F-R-E-A-K.


*g*

John wants nothing more in that moment than to keep his eyes closed for the rest of his life.

Oh, John.

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-19 05:18 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! A couple of those are my favorites, too.

that last one, which had a good blend of creepiness and twisted family love.

The funny thing? I was so focused on John's reactions and on getting across the family angle without banging people over the head with it that I somehow missed the part where the entire scenario really is creepy. Talk about tunnel vision!

Thanks so much for the comment. It's been very encouraging to get such positive responses to my first fic in the fandom.
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[personal profile] innie_darling 2008-01-19 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)
That was wonderful - each piece fit with the others but could easily have stood on its own. A very nice look into all three of them.

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-19 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! Writing AUs is fun - it's so interesting to see what might have happened differently if just one little thing changed, and Supernatural in all its complexity lends itself so nicely to that.

Thanks for commenting!

[identity profile] just-ruth.livejournal.com 2008-01-19 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
This is just a terrific AU - one thing I personally wished would happen and two that were sad but worked very well.

Nice way you portray John in this - especially the first story, my favorite. Stubborn as his son and yet still cares, my personal theory is that he, like Sam, is a Taurus and two Tauri will always butt heads.

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-19 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, so much. I don't know much about astrology, but it is abundantly clear to me that John and Sam are so alike that conflict was always inevitable, especially with the stressful lives they've led. The first story is also the one where I have the clearest, simplest picture of what happens immediately after - I don't intend to write any more of any of these, but if I did, that one would be the easiest.

Thank you very much for the comment.

[identity profile] ultraviolet9a.livejournal.com 2008-01-19 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I like the twists you added, and i like your writing. It's solid and the characters ring true.

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-19 07:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! Supernatural is a really inspiring universe to write for, and it gives so much to work with. I appreciate your comment. :)

[identity profile] redrikki.livejournal.com 2008-01-19 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Dude! I know you asked for constructive criticism, but right now all I can provide is squee. That first one with Dean and John at Sam's graduation was just so sweet with the lovely little details like their fake ids with their real names and Sam saying hi before starting his speech. The second one had perfect Dean voice, although, in retrospect, some of their exchanges must have taken Dean awhile to spell out on the Ouija board. The third one, well, that was my favorite. It had perfect family banter and the fact they wanted to keep hunting together after they turned their dad was just so heartwarming in a deeply creepy sort of way. Excellent job considering it's your first time out.

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-20 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
know you asked for constructive criticism, but right now all I can provide is squee.

Hee. Squee works, too. I mean, I'm not gonna ask you to take it back or anything. ;)

their fake ids with their real names

But of course! I expect that they didn't always need IDs with fake names on them, but can you imagine John or Dean spending the afternoon at the DMV for the real thing?

in retrospect, some of their exchanges must have taken Dean awhile to spell out on the Ouija board.

Yep. I did think of that, because you just know that Dean would normally be picking and choosing his messages based entirely on letter count, but under the circumstances, it's more important to him to take the time to be crystal clear so that his family knows that he's definitely okay. And if it just happens to put the actual moment off for a couple minutes more, well, that's all right with him.

fact they wanted to keep hunting together after they turned their dad was just so heartwarming in a deeply creepy sort of way.

That is actually more or less what I was going for. As soon as my brain went, "Hey, what if something went wrong in DMB?", I thought about the importance of family to SPN vamps, and I knew immediately that no pre-made vampire family would be good enough for a Winchester, no sir.

Thanks for the detailed feedback. It's very appreciated!

(Anonymous) 2008-01-20 06:46 am (UTC)(link)
Loved that, I was cracking up laughing!!

BTW:I <3 the Red Sox too. Lol.

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-20 06:55 am (UTC)(link)
Glad you liked. Thanks for commenting!

Go Red Sox! :D

[identity profile] julorean.livejournal.com 2008-01-20 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
All three are great, but I especially love the last one! It's dark and a bit horrifying, yet very much them...they're still a family. God, I wish there was more - John would be reluctant at first, maybe even hate them for it, but after some years or decades...Man, that would make an awesome AU.

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-20 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, if I were to take any of them to spin into an AU, I think that would be the one. Which is funny, because it's also the one I had the hardest time with. That was in part because there were so many details about it that I came up with, though, and I had to pick and choose because putting everything in would have made it too unwieldy. That would lend itself nicely to expansion. It would also drive me insane, though. *g*

Thank you for the comment. I'm really pleased that the last story is going over so well.

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[identity profile] batgurl10.livejournal.com 2008-01-20 06:47 pm (UTC)(link)
all 3 of these were really good--BUT the last one, sheesh woman, freak me out why dont you? LOL.
the last one made me wish you had written a whole novel with that scenario. BRavo!! awesome - those stupid fangs dont know dean if they thought he would give up his family for theirs....hee--love how perverse that is...

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-20 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
those stupid fangs dont know dean if they thought he would give up his family for theirs

Ha! Darn right. No Winchester is going to be happy with eternal life if the others don't have it too. Dean's first thought was to change Sam, and then they holed up and plotted about how to get John and change him, too. He made it very easy for them by showing up in Manning.

Thank you for commenting. This is the first fanfic I've written in a long time and I'm so happy that people have enjoyed it.

[identity profile] amchara.livejournal.com 2008-01-22 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
Cool story! Just letting you know that you've been recc'd at [livejournal.com profile] crack_impala here (http://community.livejournal.com/crack_impala/88631.html). :)

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-22 05:29 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, sweet! Thanks for passing that on!

[identity profile] azephirin.livejournal.com 2008-01-22 03:49 am (UTC)(link)
All of these are fabulous, but #2 nearly had me in tears. Great work on all!

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-22 05:32 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! Number two was my favorite to write. Thanks for commenting.

[identity profile] brigid-tanner.livejournal.com 2008-01-22 04:06 am (UTC)(link)
Great job! the first part is something I would love to have seen, Sam graduating and reconciling with John. The second part hurt. The third section is AWESOME!! yeah, the boys would totally be about how becoming vamps would make them better hunters. Not sure John's agreeing with them though ;)

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-22 05:38 am (UTC)(link)
Not sure John's agreeing with them though ;)

Heh. Not at the moment. Given time and the crucial blood transfusion, though, and he might just change his tune. If nothing else, being a vampire would make it easier to avoid getting killed before he can confront the YED.

Thank you for the comment!

[identity profile] silverkit.livejournal.com 2008-01-22 05:58 am (UTC)(link)
I was really worried as I was reading the first one that Sam was going to see John and Dean and it was all going to go to hell. I was so relieved that it turned out happy and fuzzy, and Sam's "Hi Dad, Hi Dean" was perfectly in character.

Cool bits and pieces here.

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-22 06:16 am (UTC)(link)
Aw, I wasn't gonna do that. I was so mean to them in the other two pieces that I had to balance it out a little. *g* I liked the "Hi, Dad. Hi, Dean" too, because I loved the idea of the rest of the audience and graduates thinking that Sam was just taking a moment of triumph over his accomplishment, when in reality it was so much more.

Thanks for commenting!

[identity profile] americanleaguer.livejournal.com 2008-01-22 06:07 am (UTC)(link)
So you know how I'm only, like, peripherally aware of this show/fandom, but I read this anyways, because YOU NEVER WRITE GAWD and when you do I simply must read it, obviously.

And despite knowing very little about the characters, and very little about the show premise, I enjoyed this thoroughly. The pacing in all the stories (story-lets?) is perfect-- I barely noticed it, which means it's working. The dialogue was great-- I don't 'know' the characters from previous show watching/fic reading, but I felt like you put enough into their voices that I got to know them a bit anyways, in a very short period of time.

I was going to say that the third one was my favorite, but then I realized that was a lie and I also liked the first one, and then I remembered the bit with the Ouija board in the second one and realized I loved that, so basically I can't pick a favorite, but I am OK with that.

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-22 06:19 am (UTC)(link)
Dude! Thanks. Man, that's so cool - you know a fic is working when someone outside the fandom can enjoy it, too.

I have "Front Office" bookmarked, by the way, to read when I have sufficient attention span. I tend to need a good run-up to approach a long fic. I did read a bit of it when you posted, before a shiny object distracted me, and I liked it, so I have a good feeling. :D

[identity profile] curtainpull.livejournal.com 2008-01-22 10:57 am (UTC)(link)
Eeeeeeeee, vampires! Love that they're still them but not!

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-22 03:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks! That was my interpretation of "Fresh Blood," and as an old-school Buffy fan accustomed to the whole "demon takes over" thing, I found this idea to be really interesting to play with.

Thanks for the comment, and I love your icon!
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[identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com 2008-01-22 11:44 am (UTC)(link)
Awesome AUs. I really liked the first one, the little details, and the spot on Winchester emotion. The second one too was really satisfying; I usually hate "character death" but what John says about Dean deserving his peaceful death is absolutely true. I'd love to see you speculate more about John and Sam picking up. It's so hard to imagine their lives without Dean!

I find it interesting how people's reactions to the third one were so varied. Some people were all ROFL and others were horrified. I was with Sam and Dean and their mental attitude of, now we're vampires, we're going to be much better hunters. I can't condone them turning John against his will though, which I'm afraid they're about to do; I'm afraid he would do a Gordon and be all "now that I'm a monster I have to go on a killing rampage before I take myself down and everyone else with me." Maybe the boys could keep him alive for a while and show him a vampire alternative lifestyle? Lenore and her group were kind of melancholy, but they made it work... I also wanted to share a mental image -- in the second season DVD menu there's this "Dean and Sam walk into a room" clip -- think how much that would rock if they were VAMPIRES! The part that creeped me out tho was the tiniest little touch -- Dean "brought Sammy dinner" -- rut row!

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-22 03:40 pm (UTC)(link)
It's so hard to imagine their lives without Dean!

Man, tell me about it. I have bits and pieces of ideas for what comes next with each of these, and the second one is by far the most vague - all I've really got is, "John sublimates his grief in hunting and Sam is displeased with this even though he totally did the same thing with Jess's death and he should pretty much expect it from John anyway."

I can't condone them turning John against his will though, which I'm afraid they're about to do

Yeah, this is something that I couldn't find space to address directly in text, so I settled for hoping it was implied through Sam and Dean's actions but suspecting it wasn't, at least not very clearly. They don't want to turn John against his will if it can be avoided, hence Dean wanting him to "hear us out." If they were going to do that, they would have just done it while he was unconscious, but instead, they wanted to get him to see the benefits. In my mind, the conversation isn't half over yet, but I didn't want to wreck the ficlet by drawing it out with talk of logistics. The original plan was to have him consent out of sheer heartbreak, knowing that they won't kill him or let him go off to be killed and hoping that as a vampire he'll see things differently, but I just couldn't get that far with the story. This ending is more interesting and ambiguous, anyway, 'cause this way my plan doesn't have to be the reader's plan.

Thanks very much for the detailed feedback. I love hearing that people are thinking closely about something I wrote.

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Three Things John Winchester Never Did With His Sons

[personal profile] yourlibrarian 2008-01-22 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Nicely diverse set!

Re: Three Things John Winchester Never Did With His Sons

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-23 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I had a good time coming up with them and fleshing them out. I'm glad you enjoyed them.

[identity profile] essenceofmeanin.livejournal.com 2008-01-23 05:16 am (UTC)(link)
those were awesome. #2 especially made me all sniffly.

[identity profile] remindmeofthe.livejournal.com 2008-01-23 06:09 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed. Number two was actually the first one I wrote, and the easiest.

Thanks for the comment!

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